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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 6, 2011 7:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: NIce 74 that brings up another "One question for Jerry"

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-05-19.sbd.fix.miller.107165.flac16

Set 1
Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo, Mexicali Blues, Big Railroad Blues, Black Throated Wind, Scarlet Begonias, Beat It On Down The Line, Tennessee Jed, Me And Bobby McGee, Sugaree, Jack Straw, It Must Have Been The Roses, El Paso, Loose Lucy, Money Money, China Cat Sunflower > I Know You Rider

Set 2
Promised Land, Bertha > Greatest Story Ever Told, Ship Of Fools, Weather Report Suite > Wharf Rat, Big River, Peggy-O, Truckin' > Mind Left Body Jam > Not Fade Away > Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad > One More Saturday Night

E: U.S. Blues

OK, the show first, question second. First set starts off with some pretty significant sound issues. Vocals non-existant in a couple of tunes. This works out soon enough in time to make way for a nice little show. At times in the 1st set they seem to be lost a tad, trying to find the groove. By the China>Rider closer they have found it and beat it into submission in time to set up a fantastic 2nd set. The WRS is amazing; while Bob has some lyrical flubs, Jerry more than makes up for it with some truly inspired playing. The meat, though, is found in the Truckin>MLB>NFA>GDTRFB. A thunderous freight train barreling through the night, shaking the Coliseum to the rafters and leaving the audience gasping for breath.

OK, now on to the question. In the past I once posed the question "What is the worst Donna screech ever?"; well, I think I've found #1 and #2. What she does in Scarlet is, for me, so abhorrent and distasteful I nearly reached down my throat, grabbed my liver, ripped it in two and crammed the pieces in my ears to try and stop the pain. Needless to say I managed to survive and gathered the tattered remains of my frontal lobe together for the rest of the show, confident that the maximum damage had been done already. Wrong. She decides for a reprise in GDTRFB. What small amount of my psyche that had managed to recover from the first wave was ripped apart and scattered to the four winds, the mournful wails of it's dying moments filling the air like the crushed dreams of a thousand crippled orphans. Perhaps I am being too hard, but I call 'em like I see 'em.
Which brings me to the question: "Why? Jerry, with all the musical genious surrounding you every night, could you please explain to me the reason for allowing the howling banshee to have those eruptions of molten despair on a regular basis? So many moments of musical perfection were interuppted by this chaotic and seemingly unrelated interruption that many of us see them as fairly sigificant speed bumps on an otherwise beautiful ride."
I seriously would love to get his take on it. Perhaps in the next life...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 6, 2011 11:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: NIce 74 that brings up another 'One question for Jerry'

And yet that 5/19 scream is so very useful ...

http://www.archive.org/post/376649/this-day-in-china-and-gtrider-history

And ohmigosh. I FOUND it! Here is the exact song against which the Donna 5/19/74 Weapon has been prepared to fire! And even with a Perfect Donna Scream Visual.

If anyone listens to it, you'll have to agree it's very pretty. For a few minutes. Or the first time through. Or the second. Now imagine it blasted at 5 a.m. each day, full volume, on half-hour tape loop:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDnamSM3Z3s

Donna Scream image found at 2:46 ...



This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2011-10-06 18:22:51

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 6, 2011 11:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: NIce 74 that brings up another 'One question for Jerry'

I think we're lucky that your actions that day did not cause a huge diplomatic rift between our two countries. I wonder what would happen if you unleashed a Donna-Bomb on the DMZ between South and North Korea. Either an all out military exchange or unconditional surrender. Although the collateral damage unleashed by such a blast would surely bring China into the mix.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 6, 2011 11:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: NIce 74 that brings up another 'One question for Jerry'

Then we'd make use of some Feedback paired with a Bob Confusion Bomb. "What's the difference between a duck?" That should stop them for a while.

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Poster: Hal R Date: Oct 6, 2011 9:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: NIce 74 that brings up another 'One question for Jerry'

Why - to mess with your head. Never trust a Prankster!

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 6, 2011 11:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: NIce 74 that brings up another 'One question for Jerry'

If you will turn to the audience copy of this show:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-05-19.115876.aud-patlee.cousinit.flac16
- you will notice that the audience cheers Donna's wails in Scarlet.
I've noticed the crowds often had the same reaction to her childbirth shrieks at the climax of Playing in the Band - for instance here:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd74-06-30.moore.weiner.gdADT16.15537.sbeok.shnf
or this one:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd74-08-06.merin.weiner.gdADT.5914.sbefail.shnf
...and also the 8/4/74 and 5/17/74 versions, among others. Donna Bombs apparently made them ecstatic!
In short, it seems the louder she was, the better the audience liked it. So it's no wonder she kept on screeching, if each time she was greeted by the cheers of a thousand happy deadheads...

This post was modified by light into ashes on 2011-10-06 18:37:26

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Poster: BVD Date: Oct 6, 2011 12:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: NIce 74 that brings up another 'One question for Jerry'

I remember being at the 8/6/74 show at Roosevelt Stadium. It's true, when Donna wailed the place went nuts. I remember my buddy turning to me and saying "What the fuck!! That's not singing, shes's screaming like a wounded animal! I guess one of the theories that's been goin' around for a while was that she didn't have a monitor and couldn't hear herself. This sounds way off to me. They spend all that money building the WOS and then lug it around with a huge crew and they couldn't afford to get her a monitor?!? By 76>77 she sounded fine for the most part. Who knows? Maybe the crowd just thought it eas cool to have a chick in the band.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 6, 2011 11:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: NIce 74 that brings up another 'One question for Jerry'

These are the same folks who give feedback a better response than Darkstar.


Unfortunately, many Heads at live shows have a slightly skewed response factor compared to a sober listener years later. Although I have considered compiling a Best Of Feedback CD to go with my Best "Take Another Step Back" compilation.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Oct 6, 2011 2:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: NIce 74 that brings up another 'One question for Jerry'

I'd love to see your best of take a step back.

The TASB from summer 1990 with phil and brent is great, cant recall the date right now, before BOR.

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: Oct 7, 2011 9:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: NIce 74 that brings up another 'One question for Jerry'

I love Donna and everything about her. some if my fav moments are 5.1.77 sunrise and 5.11.78 looks like rain. She also did a great job singing she belongs to me at my with Steve kimock. I love that video on YouTube,

On a side note, for some reason she doesn't do her scream in playing in the band at 1.8.79. I often talk to her about this stuff and she always has great stories. She is a true gem. I strongly recommend seeing her band. They seem to play the east coast a lot, plus she is great to talk to.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 7, 2011 9:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: NIce 74 that brings up another 'One question for Jerry'

Since you're obviously much too modest to provide it yourself here's the link for everyone to enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lPxCVS1AN0

And speaking as one who's enjoyed a few cheap laughs at Donna Jean's expense in the past, I have to say that was very nicely said, Mr Miller.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 7, 2011 11:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: NIce 74 that brings up another 'One question for Jerry'

Very true. While I will not back down from my opinion of her shrieking, I will say that I do value what she brought to the table in terms of harmonizing with Bob. She also did have some really good moments on her own, an example being the Scarlet from the 77 Mosque show. THAT is a Donna moment I do enjoy.

But again, when she is bad, she is bad.

All of this is personal opinion of course. I hold nothing against those who feel strongly the other way.




Well, maybe a little...

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 7, 2011 1:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: NIce 74 that brings up another 'One question for Jerry'

Donna has nice harmony going in this Scarlet from 1976 then Donna sings some beautiful harmony with Bob in LLR

http://www.archive.org/details/gd76-07-18.sbd.bertha.14838.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Oct 7, 2011 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: NIce 74 that brings up another 'One question for Jerry'

Please don't hold ANYTHING against me!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 7, 2011 10:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: NIce 74 that brings up another 'One question for Jerry'

I checked out the 5/1/77 Sunrise (my favorite is probably 5/9) and see there's no SBD of the 2nd set ... are you working on an upgrade of one of the AUDs, maybe?

The great things about Donna are (a) her vocals are often beautiful; and (b) when they're not, they push folks to great heights of verbal creativity in a vain effort to describe their sonic impact. Plus, of course, 5/19 can be used as a weapon :-)

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 6, 2011 1:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: NIce 74 that brings up another 'One question for Jerry'

I read your post at home this morning and got a laugh out of it. Now I'm at work with my ipod set, as usual, to random and playing out of a halfway-decent pair of computer speakers.

Midway through the GDTRFB from the post-Egypt Road Trips release (don't know exact date), and just as Donna steps up and *asserts* herself, our 22 year old receptionist happens to walk into my office with a question. After about 2 seconds, her head cocks to one side, she adopts a painful expression and says - "what the hell is that?"

All I could say was, "it's an inexplicable mystery that my favorite band used to let an atonal banshee wail along with them ... "

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 6, 2011 1:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: NIce 74 that brings up another 'One question for Jerry'

HAHA that's hilarious fenario. thanks for sharing.

I always turn the vol knob down around others when I know a banshee scream is coming.

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2011-10-06 20:23:48

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 6, 2011 10:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: NIce 74 that brings up another 'One question for Jerry'

I think jerry and the band enjoyed the donna howls, she sure did - lol. Besides, the GD probably had a secret admiration for Yoko Ono's vocals. Too bad she didn't appear as a guest singer

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 6, 2011 10:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: NIce 74 that brings up another 'One question for Jerry'

are you trying to give me nightmares :)

yoko ono with jgb